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❤︎ ∙ Greetings and Introductions / hiya :)
« on: July 05, 2022, 10:51:39 pm »
Hey everyone! :smile:

My name is Lian, I'm 21 years old and nonbinary, I am from Germany, and I have no idea what this page is except that it's a cool and cozy retro web forum that is really active XD

I'm a linguist and computational linguist in real life (ask me for an infodump hhh), still in university tho. It was my hobby before and I am glad that I could turn it into an education and hopefully a career track!

When it comes to the retro web, I've actually been into it for some time now. :smile: I have a personal website with an attached blog too, but it's more part of the anti-bloat/minimal web than the actual retro internet.
I was raised on forums like this one (actually met my current partner when I was 13 in a Minecraft forum that does not exist any longer, whew) and am glad that forum culture is making a comeback because it's really just much more personal and thought out this way!

My hobbies include
  • Tabletop RPGs (Fate RPG)
  • Linguistics and languages (ask me about my conlangs and obscure Papuan languages :V)
  • GNU/Linux, free software and old technology
  • bunnies!!
  • coffee making

I'm an open book, ask me anything :loved:

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☞ ∙ Life on the Web / Retro Web vs. Anti-Bloat/Minimal Web
« on: July 05, 2022, 10:07:26 pm »
Hey there,

I have noticed that there are two different versions of "retro web revival" going around at the moment; the retro web revival best exemplified by this site and its community, and the anti-bloat or minimal web (which is not actually the "official" name for it but whatevs) that's a bit smaller but still very much up and coming.

Basically, the retro web manages to be unique in today's internet because of its return to early 2000s/late 90s web design with flashy colors, a plethora of animated images, tangible design, a rejection of commercialization, a more inclusive community built upon friendship and creativity instead of consumption, and so on. It tends to be administered and used by younger people, tends towards a female and progressive user base, and is largely a part of the queer/neurodiverse community.

Built on similar foundations but with a different execution is what I call the minimal or anti-bloat web. It's unique in today's internet because it refuses to use heavy and inaccessible design features and programming frameworks, and instead relies on semantics similar to a forum post: simple, plain XHTML, some CSS, nothing else. It's basically an internet like you get taught to program in intro to HTML classes; simple <h1>'s, <p>'s, without fancy backgrounds, no GIFs, no text in images, and so on.

For examples, see the Gemini protocol (a minimal and very tight knit alternative to HTTP(S) and HTML as a whole), the XHTML club, my own website, the FrogFind search engine, the 1MB club, based.cooking (a recipe site) and more.

This has a lot of advantages to both the retro web and the modern web:
  • Accessible to all browsers: No matter if you browse it on a 1995 terminal in text mode, or on a Chromebook, it will always display and function correctly, as compared to a website with modern HTML5 features, javascript frameworks, embedded junk and so on. I like using text based browsers on computers that don't have a desktop at all, so that's a huge plus.
  • Accessible to disabled people and algorithms: Some people cannot rely on their accessibility software and alt-texts to browse the full internet when, for example, text is contained in images and not as actual text, so an XHTML only website will be understood and parsed well by any decent software.
  • Accessible to bad internet: You can get websites REALLY small. And to people in less privileged countries than ours, that can make the difference between visiting a page and not being able to do so.
  • Customizable: Did you know that browsers used to do all the theming themselves? It was originally up to the browser to make boring old text pages look super fancy, by applying a uniform style to them. Every website could look exactly like you wanted it to, even. This is possible with semantic HTML, because that tells the browser not how to display something, but what it should represent (aka telling it it's a headline, not that it NEEDS to be 15px larger than other text).

On one hand, the retro web such as this site allows for more expression and is simply playful and fun, and it embodies a sense of community and creative outlet that the web has not had in a long time. On the other, the debloated web is more accessible and still has many of the retro web's qualities: nostalgia, expression, anti-commercialization, community, content-based browsing.

Where do you stand on this dichotomy? :O I'd be seriously interested what people think about this development.
Let me point out though that we are allies in disliking the modern web, not rivals, and I'm glad I'm here. :smile:

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