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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2023 @679.91 »

Basic personal finance would have been good to know about, but the school was good on critical thinking exercises - What is the truth? How to tell it from something that looks plausible but is full of bias and misinformation. What is YOUR truth? Why is it sometimes different from other people's? Sometimes difficult to grasp when you're a teenager, but so useful later.

Can problem solving be taught? How to take what looks like a mess or just too big to cope with and split it down into smaller, more easily solvable problems. The cleverest people I know in any field can do that easily and seemingly innately.

I think most of these things are learned through experience, though. I can't conceptualize a curriculum in school that could effectively teach a bunch of kids and teenagers how to, say, apply critical thinking. Absorbing knowledge into your day to day thinking patterns, and simply "learning" and being able to recall facts in a test, are two different things, and the latter is the default mode of acquisition in school.

I think school is just not that good of a setting to learn these things.

I mean, you got 20-40 young people in a room, most of who are just sitting here because they have to, trying to pay attention while their mind wanders elsewhere, and here you are as an adult trying to make them absorb entire thinking patterns into their day to day consciousness? Nah... Those things develop through experience: you can't teach me critical thinking by telling me about critical thinking, but making the experience of seeing yourself, or a thing you like, being misrepresented somewhere, can teach it to you very quickly.

I remember reading about a lovely park near my house in the newspaper, with people calling it a "crime, violence and drug hotspot", and almost falling over in my chair! It was anything but, it was actually a very nice place, only that there are a lot of immigrant-looking people there. They're just chilling there with their families talking and having fun, but for some reason the newspaper made it out to be a crime hotspot completely unjustly, probably due to racial prejudice. And once I understood that, I definitely don't trust most things people write about "problem areas" anymore until I have been there. Or take my degree; ever since I know a lot about linguistics, I see SO MUCH bad linguistics everywhere even in huge media, popular science and official communications that I just can't trust anything in areas I don't know about.

Some school settings and societies might alleviate these issues though simply by giving more opportunities to gain life experience during the formative years.
In East Germany for example, they had "polytechnical" schools. It was a unified ten-year school system where you:

(1) remained in the same class from elementary school ages all the way to graduation
(2) had a lot of classes about practical life and work-related skills, including the nominal polytechnical classes
(3) had one day a week of working an internship-like job in actual production, giving you plenty of opportunity to become independent and self-sufficient and become connected mentally to the real world, the worth of things, the experience of taking responsibility, social skills and much more
(4) learned your own regional dialect in addition to standard dialect, supporting regional minorities and endangered languages

Just look at these subjects: German, another foreign language, informatics/programming, maths, physics, chemistry, biology, arts and crafts/carpentry, economics, geography, astronomy, gardening, technical drawing, sewing, "Staatsbürgerkunde" (mostly how to do your papers, how to live properly, how to do taxes and so on), art, music... Plenty of things you don't get these days! Gardening?? Sewing?? Economics?? Crafting??

Everyone I know who grew up there had remarkable life skills at a very young age and was very happy with how they grew up in that respect, excepting of course personal problems with teachers, coworkers or classmates. All of this combined with lots of nature and handiwork related activities in the universal teen scouts made them into pretty well rounded people. I know none of them who can't repair a bike by themselves these days - I can't because nobody taught me to be good with my hands (even though I would have liked to). :(
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2023 @953.23 »

wish i had learned more about finances and dealing with ur money, thats a skill everyone should know and that isnt taught at all
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2023 @704.53 »

i had a finance class that was required my senior year, and that was awesome! i think a lot of people talk about how they wish their school showed them how to do taxes so that is something for sure i can be grateful for. but i think it would be also helpful if we could also learn like... how to find a place to live... how to clean without gassing ur house... how often to change the filters in ur house... how to get groceries... stuff like that!! how to live on ur own and take care of urself!! i'm learning this kind of stuff for the first time and it would've been nice to get a primer lol!! ALSO?? study skills!! it's kind of silly that school never teaches how to study?? like how to take proper notes and retain information.. and then go over those notes!! i think i've struggled with that since i started school, and now i'm in college and it is WIPING ME OOOUUT!!
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2023 @154.71 »

I went to a college prep school, so I missed out on classes on trades like woodworking. Although looking at how the whole school system is structured, I can see why shop class wasn't a thing for us. You also can't offer a class that no-one signs up for. We didn't really have study skills, except for a few teachers who forced us to take notes and organize the binders in a specific way.

Too much focus on test scores instead of true performance. But then again how do you measure someones true understanding of something like chemistry without spending a ton of money? I can see how the school system gravitated towards tests and memorization.
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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2023 @218.34 »

Logical fallacies (seriously, it would save so many people from getting radicalized or falling for BS arguments if they actually knew about the slippery slope fallacy, I see that one getting thrown around all the time like it actually means anything and it annoys me to no end), sex ed/relationships (in particular, how to recognize abuse and unhealthy relationships, communication skills, etc.), really a lot of stuff related to mental health and emotional regulation too. The schools I went to always went on and on about the importance of physical health, but mental health, if it was ever mentioned, was only as a footnote like "hey take care of that too I guess."
Also, Mi'kmaq, the indigenous language of the region I grew up in! Our school had Mi'kmaq classes but they were only offered online and I'm pretty sure they cancelled those when less than like, a handful of students signed up or something (we were a small school I doubt many people ever signed up for those classes) and it was always an elective, which struck me as weird considering that that was the local Indigenous language. Like, I got forced into 7 years of mandatory French class (which I am grateful for, as my family is mostly French and I might not have learned it otherwise) but the actual native language to our region didn't get the same treatment.
Plus, more classes on like, life skills I guess? Like I got cooking class in middle school one year (it wasn't really a class, it was an after-school activity that most of us just went to for free food I think) and that would've been so helpful if I had gotten to attend it for more than like. A couple of Tuesdays towards the end of the year. Basic life skills like that would've been really nice to learn, especially before I became an adult and started feeling intensely anxious about how much I still don't know, lol.
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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2023 @482.20 »

Definitely not the first person here to say "financial literacy"... I just shut down when I think about complicated paperwork and numbers and stuff and they just kind of toss you in the pool and expect you to know how to swim.
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