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« on: April 26, 2023 @854.12 »

 Created using ai.

These look REALLY good for an ai ngl:

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2023 @11.16 »

May I see the prompt that was used to create these?
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2023 @98.30 »

It’s actually scary how quick AI technology is progressing… I reckon soon we’ll see famous “artists” crop up and then be exposed later on that they’ve been using AI the entire time, and others will need to stream constantly to prove that they’re actually doing them by hand.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2023 @381.34 »

To the AI devs: Accept that challenge! Let the video AI generate a video by itself to simulate the process of the artists progess with his drawing. If full images can be done, lineart can be done too. With some narrating AI voice. Sounds easy to be honest.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2023 @398.00 »

these are shockingly good.. in a bad way. I am not fully against AI, but this is bad. for many reasons.
I also feel like we will end up needing to "proof" we did the art in some way and haven't simply generated it. Right now the differences can still be spotted, but for how long. AI in the art community is hated for good reasons. + These consist of stolen work real artists have done, unless an AI was trained with work people actually submitted for that reason. And personally, I wouldn't want to own, buy or get art that wasn't done by a real human being with thoughts and feelings. It does look good, yes. These here are incredible considering it's an AI. And I'm sure playing around with these services can be kinda fun, but it's always fake.

sorry for the negative ranty take, But it always scratches me whenever I see it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2023 @512.94 »

It’s actually scary how quick AI technology is progressing… I reckon soon we’ll see famous “artists” crop up and then be exposed later on that they’ve been using AI the entire time, and others will need to stream constantly to prove that they’re actually doing them by hand.

I think Iv come to the realisation that the future for most artists will be all about documenting your process of creation rather than what you actually create. It’s kinda been like that for a long time in some parts of the art world, but it’s gonna have to become the norm for everyone!

(Thankfully there are more ways to document than streaming! This is a great practical use for personal sites too)
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2023 @610.24 »

WARNING: WEIRD PHILOSOPHICAL RAMBLE BELOW!!!

My issues with AI are entirely ethical. I think donating your art to be used as "training" should be opt in rather than mass-scraped, and even then there's a lot of public domain stuff they could be using anyway... But the way it works now is screwing over a lot of current-day artists. (I also think it should be common courtesy to disclose if an image is generated by a neural network or not!) and I don't doubt that as they get more realistic, people will start using that rather than hiring artists that need that work to survive, and I hate the idea of that. I hate that we have to live in a world where we have to work/get paid to survive at all.

I don't really like arguments that it's "not real art" because something I've always liked about art is how flexible it is that art can be... One of my favorite modern art pieces is a pile of candy. Arguably art pieces like that or anything that uses pre-existing objects in such a (transformative) way is also "plagiarism"- Felix Gonzalez-Torres didn't make any of the candy, he just attached a concept and significance to it. So I'm not a huge fan of defining art by how much effort went into it necessarily because I think it's more nuanced than that.

So, like... I think part of the "art" of AI is that it's generated by an AI at all. There's something kind of fascinating about a machine desperately trying to imitate things it "thinks" humans like. There's also something kind of fascinating to how it by nature cannot hold metaphor or meaning to its "artist". There's something kind of fascinating about feeding it subjective terms like "beautiful" or "ugly"- how does it define such human judgments, and how do we? What biases lie within the algorithm? I just feel like there's a lot of potential to explore things like that through that. Most people using AI aren't doing that, though. A lot of them simply want to have something that creates beautiful/impressive images for them so they can call it something they "made".

AI also gets way less interesting visually the "better" it gets. I remember when the more fuzzy/surreal ones were more popular and I found it super interesting. Kind of crazy how "good" it's gotten so fast though O_o And I can't in good faith appreciate AI art until my ethical qualms with it are addressed significantly.
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2023 @730.81 »

I assume one possible way for artists to stay relevant in AI times is jumping on the whole "prompt engineer" thing, but with an art twist. Portraying yourself as proficient in AI use, being able to craft precise prompts that get the customer what they want, and being able to build upon the AI output either with more prompts or your also own skills in Photoshop and the like. It's true that anyone can craft a prompt, but not everyone can craft a good prompt, and not only due to how the prompt is structured, but someone from their craft simply knows terms others don't. AI generates much better realistic pictures when the prompt features mentions of specific photography settings, for example, and the same can be done with art that is either entirely digital or emulates traditional paintings like oil paintings.

I see a big advantage in cycling through ideas quickly with a client via AI - instead of sitting down for several drafts again and again done by hand to present to the client for feedback, you can have it generated by AI together with the client or as disclosed drafts before they decide on (more or less) the final product they want, which then can be either completely by hand or partially AI.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2023 @261.01 »

Mm I have no doubt companies will cut costs by just generating AI art for certain things but to be honest, I think it'll still need someone to edit the results into a specific form or just fix things like these anime ladies here: look at their fingers.

I actually have no strong opinions on this because I am not that good at art so it doesn't really affect me but... my favourite type of drawings to look at are actually pencil sketches, the ones where the lineart isn't all simplified into one clear line. I'm not sure if AI does that
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2023 @790.17 »

Another one (this one I didn't generate myself. Someone else did. The first 2 ones I generated myself):
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2023 @146.00 »

I assume one possible way for artists to stay relevant in AI times is jumping on the whole "prompt engineer" thing, but with an art twist. Portraying yourself as proficient in AI use, being able to craft precise prompts that get the customer what they want, and being able to build upon the AI output either with more prompts or your also own skills in Photoshop and the like. It's true that anyone can craft a prompt, but not everyone can craft a good prompt, and not only due to how the prompt is structured, but someone from their craft simply knows terms others don't. AI generates much better realistic pictures when the prompt features mentions of specific photography settings, for example, and the same can be done with art that is either entirely digital or emulates traditional paintings like oil paintings.

Honestly? “Prompt engineering” sounds like an attempt to make typing random stuff and hoping you get a result you like as something that requires skill or at the very least more than it really is.
I’ve seen some of these “engineered” prompts. Many of them are literally just repeating certain phrases in random places. There is no way that wasn’t a result of anything but trial and error, and I doubt those who “made” the prompt even knows the significance of the placements or the repeating.

It feels like the equivalent of searching for a specific website and using phrases you know are relevant to some site, and phrasing it in different ways or rearranging the order until you find it, and then say you’re some research guru.

Actually, yeah, there seems to be a lot of overlap between “Prompt Engineering” and “Google-fu”, but at least the latter, talking specifically about programming here, you have to understand the code you grab and where to place it. With AI art, the prompt is literally all the human does.

(For the record, I do Google-fu a lot, which is why I don’t call myself a skilled or even good programmer.)

I see a big advantage in cycling through ideas quickly with a client via AI - instead of sitting down for several drafts again and again done by hand to present to the client for feedback, you can have it generated by AI together with the client or as disclosed drafts before they decide on (more or less) the final product they want, which then can be either completely by hand or partially AI.

This I agree with. AI absolutely has it’s practical uses. I remember seeing an April Fools article that used an AI generated image in it’s headline, and I thought “Huh, fair enough.”
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2023 @433.60 »

It feels like the equivalent of searching for a specific website and using phrases you know are relevant to some site, and phrasing it in different ways or rearranging the order until you find it, and then say you’re some research guru.

I definitely agree, "prompt engineer" makes it sound really pompous and elite when it really shouldn't be. It's as if we started describing authors as story engineers or poets are word engineers :P people just love to call themselves an engineer!
You should see the "prompt engineer" people on LinkedIn.

That said, I think we often tend to oversimplify what it takes to search for things online because we are so experienced. I run into this often myself, because I assume things are clear to my coworkers that aren't. Since we grew up with it and also we are a rather tech-y bunch here in the forum, we forget the perspective of the older or non-techy crowd. One funny example: My coworkers asked me to include a part in our user handbook about our new database that to search, you need to press Enter. This is something they all do daily at Google or in their browsers when opening a URL they typed in, but still, they were "stumped and confused" when they had to do it in the database. :grin:

Of course we probably have a few people around us that are really smart tech-wise, but I'll still say that a non-negligible amount of our peers, parents, grandparents, coworkers etc. are really not that tech-literate and don't know how to find what they're searching for. They not only don't know how to refine their searches in stuff like Google (wildcards, ", site:www.site.de etc) but even how to put it into words, or how to summarize it well, or what they're actually looking for. And they might be able to say it out loud to another person, but don't know how to start typing it into an interface. Some put entire paragraphs in there (and those at least have some chance with ChatGPT, but usually lose out in Google and other things).
The younger generation might not even learn this well and the skill is atrophying in the others, because the smartphone and the app design do the most work for them in this regard; down to the social media sites already suggesting the correct content via an algorithm or presenting the clickable tags and searches to them, so they don't have to actually go out and search for themselves or write a search prompt.

So as silly as it sounds to people like us here, a fair size of the population will need prompt engineers. They will be dissatisfied with what they get out of ChatGPT with "I want my website to display my image help" and give up, because they don't necessarily have the know-how or language to be more precise.

For a more in-depth example, you can wanna learn Python and ask ChatGPT for resources, but it's not going to be very helpful and very general if you just ask that. Your prompt instead has to be something like
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"Act as a coding teacher that creates study plans to help people learn coding. The goal of the student is <your goals here, for example learning Python>, their time commitment is <x hours over y weeks>, and prefers <digital, analogue, auditory, visual..> resources. Their skill level is <beginner, intermediate..>. Create a study plan with timelines and links to resources. Only include relevant resources according to the time limit."
This creates a much more thorough result that is actually useful, fitting and with real sources, not just "You should look for online tutorials" you'd usually otherwise get.
Of course, they might train GPT to be more valuable and accepting of low-effort prompts, but we cannot be sure it will be that accessible.

Sorry for the big excursion, I am just passionate about it because of my job :P I am a specialist in media and information services with the focus on data retrieval from databases. I only exist because others cannot search or find what they're looking for. It's my job to retrieve data for other people, summarize it or otherwise transform it and collect it to deliver it to them, as well as archive and document data correctly. :grin:

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2023 @788.06 »

Yeah I might lock this thread if people keep writing entire essays on AI art when I really just wanted to show how uncanny ai art is.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2023 @800.30 »

Yeah I might lock this thread if people keep writing entire essays on AI art when I really just wanted to show how uncanny ai art is.
I suggest putting it on your website next time. That way, everyone can view without saying anything.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2023 @801.39 »

I suggest putting it on your website next time. That way, everyone can view without saying anything.

I don't have a website.

I also wanted to share it with melonland.

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