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« on: June 03, 2023 @827.43 »

The answer is probably not, BUT I have a good reason for making this thread!

Words and names are very powerful, they define boundaries and group together ideas - they gain meaning and identity.

I didn't coin the term web revival, but back in 2021 I started heavily pushing it; back then there were a bunch of terms people were using. However over the last 6 months, I've noticed a change; everyone is saying web revival - we have been reduced to one name - and simply put, one name is not enough to quantify all of the people and ideas that should be included in this weird web crafting space!

So my challenge for you is; to make more names! Make better names! Challenge identity! The web revival can survive some rival editions, in fact, it needs them. We deserve more than one name  :cheerR:
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2023 @846.24 »

I've never been very fond of the term Web Revival myself (probably made obvious by my frequent use of "This part of the web"), so I would be very glad to provide a few alternatives for everybody- -

Little Web

Sounds like a street that'd have a lot of cute mom & pop shops. Small Web is an alternative.

Internet Underground
(Cool people only)

Neo-net
Like.. new net?..

Wild Web
Yeah.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2023 @871.46 »

I think small web/net has been used/is still in use to some degree, I know I see the term on the smol.pub website. personally I've always liked indie web.

but I don't know, I think web revival is a perfectly good term to describe it as a movement you know?
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2023 @912.29 »

I don't think I would replace it, however brainstorming terms is really fun and I like the ones people have come up with so far :smile:
I also thought of "web reclamation". Reclaiming what was yours sounds fun and powerful. Reclamation also makes me think of the practice of reclaiming slurs. Taking something that was used against you and taking the power away from it, and using it for better things instead. It's thought provoking to envision the web this way. Like to what degree the web was ours before specific companies took over? Was it ever ours? Or thinking about how their services can be.. quite a disservice, or used against us, but we can make something good with it :4u:
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2023 @921.67 »

the art historian in me kind of wants to say "post social media" internet. because the "techniques" (small websites, webrings) and mindset used are pre-social media, BUT historically speaking, we're no longer in those early internet days. the movement wouldn't have been a movement at all in early internet, since there wasn't anything else but that ; the current internet as it is now is the motivation behind the movement

i do like the term web revival though.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2023 @943.06 »

in my head, it doesn't make sense to umbrella everything under one term
other than "web" (and even then, we're excluding protocols like Gopher and
Gemini).

the internet (a far better term, imho) is different things at different times
to different people.
to me, it's a space to share resources and platform issues.
to my friend, F, it's a tool to get help with academia.
to a lot of folks here, it's a medium of expression.
to some folks on Instagram, it's a way of influencing others.
why can't it be all of these and more simultaneously, or individually,
as required?

similarly, i think that the terms we use aren't unanimously defined.
when i've interacted with other folks in the "web revival",
my definitions have often been different to theirs.
it might have some identical concepts imperative to it:
the vague notions of anti-capitalism, friendliness and personalization,
for instance, but it's also had its own distinct properties that
differ to the definition suggested by the folks i'm interacting with.
keeping the web revival scene small, for instance,
has never been one of the things i think the web revival should be.
i think the Yesterweb highlighted this pretty well:

Quote from: Yesterweb
There is a lot of significance and impact in
words and we have to be careful when we say things like "old web"
and "yesterweb" and "web revival" because it obscures the
fundamentally new aspects of what is going on.

whilst the Yesterweb staff have approached this angle diachronically,
which is important
(as our definitions change, as does the state of the internet:
the "small web" is not small when a billion folks move towards using it),
but i also think that it's equally as important to consider the semantics of
the words we use right now, as they're being used:
why should my "web revival" be your "web revival", or vice versa?
if you and i both talk to the same person, separately, without defining
our own definitions of the web revival, and raise contradicting ideas:
how will that person feel? will they attribute both ideas to their
overall experience of the web revival? will they question two opposing
viewpoints?

at the end of the day, if we work on the assumption that we're all going
to have our own (original or parroted) definitions of the web revival
that we're going to have to explain to others when talking,
then maybe the important thing is to ensure that our definitions
(if nothing else) are coherent when we make our voices heard.



lots of words here and my ADHD has made sticking to one point pretty hard.
that being said, i wanted to end my reply by saying that i don't think that
my ramblings are the definitive logic to the web revival.
there's probably an infinite number of counter-arguments and tangents
to all the points i've raised that are equally as interesting and valid.
what i think really matters is that we're all concientious with our lexis.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2023 @951.47 »

Neo-net
Like.. new net?..

Wild Web
Yeah.

Neo-Net is good, but it's being used by a somewhat popular Discord by Dokodemo, it's not like that server can coin a term, but bc of that it doesn't get my vote.
But the Wild Web? I LOVE that one, bc I don't like the current focus on revivals and "returning to tradition". As much as I passionately drool over Geocities aesthetics, not everyone does! So terms like "web revival" narrow the scope of the community. I think for an umbrella term, Wild Web captures all the aspects of rebellion, tradition, and other punk rock values that many webmasters in this community hold. And even the lack thereof if someone wants to make a goofy website for the hell of it, since this community seems to be about freedom and creativity above all else. For more niche subgenera, I would think more specific labels would be in order, which is where something like "web revival" might come in handy to describe sites with a focus on reliving the glory days, or reviving aspects of that time.

TLDR:
+1 for Wild Web
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2023 @20.36 »

Indie Web is descriptive and straight forward, for describing sites as is. It applies to any non-corporate site, regardless of the site's goals.

Web Revival doesn't need replacing, but it's poorly defined. It's not a label for websites, but an anti-capitalist social movement involving websites.

If we're to make a new term for a new movement, then it will need to have a solid definition.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2023 @48.39 »

Internet Underground

I like this one the most. We're part of the Internet as a whole, but we're mainly known in small and obscure circles. Also something about "Internet Underground" has a ring to it compared to other names.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2023 @53.17 »

I like Indie-Web or Underground Web but Wild Web I think captures the really fun and expressive vibe  of Web Revival like nothing else... So Wild Web might be my new favorite, even if Indie Web or Web Revival feel more self explanatory/convenient...
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2023 @57.55 »

Hm, yeah I like Indie Web and Internet Underground myself, but I think ideally there should be a variety of terms that people adopt depending on what they're trying to do with their internet presence, just like we do with music genres and art styles. Here are some that would make sense to me:

Punkweb - zine makers, anarchists, anti-capitalists and anti-corporatists
Artweb - independent artists and people who create websites as art experiments
Geoweb - As in Geocities, sites dedicated specifically to that type of nostalgia, 90's style websites
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2023 @469.55 »

I've never been very fond of the term Web Revival myself (probably made obvious by my frequent use of "This part of the web"), so I would be very glad to provide a few alternatives for everybody- -

Little Web

Sounds like a street that'd have a lot of cute mom & pop shops. Small Web is an alternative.

Internet Underground
(Cool people only)

Neo-net
Like.. new net?..

Wild Web
Yeah.

i love wild web! i think it encompasses what this movement really is to me better than most other terms i see AND it makes me feel like a cowboy!
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2023 @517.55 »

Wild Web
I have updated the web category name on the forum in honour of this name :grin:
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2023 @690.08 »

While the "Indie Web" is already an established community, a bit different from this one, I use that term the most, because it feels... Well, accurate.

I love "Internet underground". I'm gonna start using it.
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2023 @782.48 »

Now thinking about it, wouldn't these names just cause the Web Revival to be called different things in different places like how some animals have multiple names or how soda is also called cola or pop?
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