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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2023, 03:00:32 pm »

80.8 KB, whatever that means.  :dive:

I host pretty much everything but the html pages themselves on different sites though.

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2023, 03:39:18 pm »

If I notice my website slowing down due to it taking too much space

Don’t worry, this is not how websites work  :tongue: your site directory can contain billions of images with no performance impact.

Individual pages can slow down if they have a lot of stuff on them, but that slowdown happens in your visitors browser and hosting the images elsewhere will have no effect (it’ll actually slow it down even more because loading images from multiple domains is a teeeeny bit slower)

It’s better to keep everything in one place no matter how big or small it is  :wink:

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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2023, 02:08:35 am »

Neocities says 708KB, but then again, I don't have much on my site to begin with :ok:

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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2023, 05:50:10 pm »

Mine's 105.61 MB, although most of that is from my photo-gallery, because I only recently started compressing images, and my random hoard of images, some of which I've never even used. XD

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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2023, 07:05:47 pm »

starbreaker.org weighs in at about 78MB total. Most individual pages are relatively small; I don't go nuts on CSS and there's no JavaScript at all. I also don't try to go nuts on big, high-resolution images. However, I do have a few huge pages since I've uploaded entire novels as single web pages, and I also have EPUB and PDF copies to download for my current project.

I checked using the following set of shell commands.

SUM=0; for BYTES in `wget --spider -r 'https://starbreaker.org' 2>&1 | grep Length | cut -d " " -f 2`; do let SUM=$SUM+$BYTES; done; echo "$SUM"

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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2023, 07:25:37 pm »

102.56 MB, but I'm a Supporter so that's for all of my sites. I think my main site is actually 93.9 MB since that's the size of the backup on my PC.

I think small sites are awesome, but I love my graphics lol.  :ozwomp:

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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2023, 08:08:25 pm »

Actually, starbreaker.org might only weigh in at about 21MB.

I tried a different command to pull my site as it exists on the host.

wget -mpck --html-extension --user-agent="" -e robots=off --wait 1 -P . www.starbreaker.org

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du -ch

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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2023, 06:59:40 pm »

Wowzers, the scripts I've written for my site's visuals have bigger file sizes than your entire site!  :tnt: Albeit, a good amount of that is code comments & quality-of-life stuff to make my scripts both highly configurable & easier for other people to use.

My page is being made as a sort of visual art, but looking at the file sizes, about 85% of the site's total (4.3MB) size is in 2 different images that I'm not really even using. :ohdear: Without those images, the site is about 700kB, and without any other images, it's about 400 kB. I haven't separated all my scripts & styles into their own files yet, but after separating out 2 of the 5 scripts I'm planning to separate from my pages, about 100 kB is in those 2 JS files, and about 300 kB is in those 3 pages' HTML files.

My intuition has been that having no images would make for a lighter site, which is true in general but not in every case. If you hit refresh while you're on my About page, you'll notice that the stars in the background actually randomize themselves each time you load the page. I created this starfield on a (currently-inline :eyes: ) simple script instead of using any background images, and if I do a quick & messy cut & paste to separate the starfield code into a JS file, the code takes up 5.18 kB. For comparison with similar effects that use images instead, the starsky.gif image on the MelonLand default theme takes up 2.3 kB, and the (commonly used & rightly so) background gif attached takes 9.69 kB for the one with a black background and 4.48 kB for the one with a transparent background.

The code version is much more configurable (which I'll be able to demonstrate on my Effects Maker page  :ozwomp: the code is able to change the max & min sizes, densities, colors, and other things about the stars & starfield), but depending on which image you select, you can get the same basic effect for a lower file size with just an image. This is antithetical to half of why I made the starfield effect in the first place, to save on file size by not using a background image (and the other half being to make it more dynamic in the sense that it gives you your own unique starfield). In one sense, it fails the file size requirement, but in another sense, you get a LOT more content capabilities out of the code version.

I think I'll continue my strategy of writing code instead of using background images, if only so I can share those background effect scripts with other people. Surely, the DOM uses some amount of resources to load up the page, which should probably be considered when thinking of an optimized site, but I'll leave that question for the other eggheads.  :evil:

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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2023, 07:40:54 pm »

Oh boy! Another topic I love xD Some of this is a tad tangent-y, but it fits in with the context of the thread, so I'll leave it.

Right out of the gate, the file sizes of your website really isn't important in the grand scheme of things, unless your host offers very limited storage. Bandwidth is far more important than the size of a whole site in almost every single case, as this is what the end user is going to notice more because it dictates how fast/slow your site loads.

Case in point, the homepage for one of my sites is about 165kb, none of the files for which are optimized/minified, which breaks down as:
891 bytes for index.html
2.7kb for the site's entire CSS file
17.3 kB for a custom font file that's used everywhere
678 bytes for a nav that lods in via JS
143.1 kB for a background image

That's tiny, right? And you'd think tiny would mean it loads fast, so that's good... But it may not be. When I was writing the JS for my sidebar, I messed up, and the page took forever to load. I've also had tiny but poorly-written CSS files have the same effect because the browser needs time to render the page, and if its gotta loop through multiple CSS rules that overwrite each other, that's going to take some time to do the calculations.

If you want your site to load quicker, reducing file sizes blindly is generally not where you want to focus. Clean up your code so the browser doesn't need to work any harder than it needs to, and focus on caching files like your CSS and anything that gets reused across many pages that you can load with JS/iFrames or native HTML solutions. Your browser only has to download these files once, and things load faster... Plus it does, incidentally, have the side-effect of making file sizes smaller too, so... Brought it back around lol
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