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« on: May 18, 2023, 10:01:33 pm »

It's been a year now since I wrote my first general definition of the Web Revival and two years since I did my site manifesto. A lot has happened in that time; I've changed and the scene has changed, so Iv has been trying to gather my thoughts on the subject and I decided I should share them here for others to discuss or add to  :ha:

New Thoughts for the Web Revival in May 2023

Creative Websites are rare and worth cherishing!
Simply having a weird creative, colourful and unusual site has its own intrinsic value. It's meaningful and worthwhile, even if it's not out the change the world or provide any info other than your fav songs.

Creative website are art - and art creates new ideas!
Making art of any kind is part of a process that makes you think differently - even if the art itself is not trying to change the world, the fact that it exists DOES change the world - all creativity changes the world for better or worse!

Optimism is the most important thing to have!
Optimism means embracing both the past and the future, it's about believing that things can be cool; that old things can still have a role in the future, and that everything can be made better. Optimism is important because certainty is impossible, you can never know what will or won't work out, but believing that things CAN work out is a trigger that enables you to try new things!

Websites are a form of creative conflict!
Making a web revival site, or even a counter-web revival site is an act of creative conflict - it challenges pre-existing concepts of design, value and purpose and offers an alternative. Visual language is as much a form of debate as written word, I would even argue that visual language is often a better (if more vague) way to express an idea!

The Web Revival can be more than websites!
It can be games, it can be zines, it can be comics, it and be using an old camera - it can take any form; the website version is the most developed, but there is room beyond that limit and Id like to push that limit more!

Values in the Web Revival:
  • Humanity - Designing spaces that treat people with dignity (e.g. not of for-profit or social experiments)
  • Mystery - Embracing the unknown, unusual and unexpected.
  • Humour / Fun - I would argue a site is not a web revival site if it doesn't have the humility to have fun.
  • Love - Behaving in a loving way, even towards strangers (although love cannot always mean positive actions, sometimes it's harsh)
  • Creation of Knowledge - Creating and understanding new things, or sharing knowledge about existing things.
  • Expression through Structure - All of these values are expressed through the structure/design of a web revival project, they are not just words that can be put on any site.

The web revival includes nostalgia intrinsically, it cannot be separated - but its important to remember that Naustalgia is not about looping through memories or emotions about the past - its purpose is:
Quote from: Bruno David on André Malraux (2017 & 1967)
how those memories allow us to interrogate existence itself and the workings of the world.

The web revival above all else values action; we avoid perfectionism because it limits action - its better to make a messy site that inspires you to add more, than a perfect site that does not inspire you. It's better to make a site that can stay online and be maintained, instead of one that will vanish if you don't pay your bills. The web revival encourages creating and sharing things, even if they are small, broken, incomplete and "Warning Under Coinstruction" - broken things can be improved, non-existant things can be nothing.

Quote from: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and John Anster (1835)
And days are lost lamenting o’er lost days.
Are you in earnest? seize this very minute–
What you can do, or dream you can, begin it,
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it,
Only engage, and then the mind grows heated—
Begin it, and the work will be completed!

Go forth and make silly websites, because the world needs them  :4u:

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2023, 10:21:37 pm »

You worded it perfectly, Melon! The values section especially got to me.

Gosh, the more I think about creating websites as a form of art, the more I fall in love with this hobby. Art is inherently human, and the fact that we can use machines to create art, to express who we are in a creative way, it fills me with all sorts of corny feelings.

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2023, 03:01:35 am »

... its better to make a messy site that inspires you to add more, than a perfect site that does not inspire you ...

I love this so much! I've been adding pages and categories to my site for weeks now at a whim, I know nothing about webmastery past a basic grasp on html and sometimes I feel so insecure about how it looks when I look at other peoples' sites and how cool and flashy they are

I'm immensely happy with my messy site, way happier with it as a space online than I ever could be with my twitter or my tumblr or my carrd or whathaveyou. It's mine, I may want people to explore it but only I will ever really know how to navigate it like a well-worn path. Having a space that's entirely my own, down to the ui, is SO REFRESHING!!

It's why I love the old sites that inspired me, I want websites that feel like being a guest in somebody else's home. It's something the current web is sorely lacking

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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2023, 08:45:49 am »

The Web Revival can be more than websites!
It can be games, it can be zines, it can be comics, it and be using an old camera - it can take any form; the website version is the most developed, but there is room beyond that limit and Id like to push that limit more!

thats why hypnospace outlaw is made for. haven't played it yet but it looks super cool and amazing

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2023, 07:04:05 pm »

i love this, melon!!! i think that having our own creative homes on the internet is such an amazing thing to grow & foster.

i really love the part about procrastination; valuing action over all also lends to the idea that art isn’t perfect. creating anything doesn’t have to be perfect, it just has to be put out in the world in order for others to see it and be inspired themselves. :)

it’s very easy to put things off because we think we can’t make the best version of it, but what if the “worst” version of it is the thing that best inspires others or more in ourselves?
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