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« on: December 03, 2024 @196.46 »

 Hey guys. I have a question for you: ‘Johnny Depp or Gene Wilder’. If you know what I’m talking about, great! If not, I’m asking if you prefer the Jonny Depp Or Gene Wilder Willy Wonka movies.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2025 @675.78 »

Gene and it's not even a competition. He strikes the right balance of warm yet sinister. The understated comedy works a lot better for me than Depp's cold, heavy-handed wackiness. Even beyond who plays Wonka, the 1971 film washes the 2005 one in basically every category. I think, even though most people have seen the OG, they take it for granted and don't actually notice or appreciate its subtle comedic brilliance. The Burton film just can't compare.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2025 @698.14 »

Beyond a general disdain for Depp, Wilder's performance is head and shoulders above Depp's at conveying such a creature of a man. soft-star (may I call you Chey?) is absolutely correct generally about the films here. I think the way that we often perceive works through pop culture osmosis is oft a disservice to the works themselves. E.g. it shocks me how little people think of the politics of Waters's films and just see them as Shocking.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2025 @360.67 »

- Original books
- Timothee Chalamet prequel film.

Now for the options OP cares about:
- Gene Wilder brings a deadpan to the role I enjoy, and I generally like his movie more than the Depp version.

- I hate Depp, but I don't think his version is bad or devoid of charm. It hits different notes. I think the adaptation changes to Mike TV were smart and good actually. It is my least favourite version, but its like a 3/10. Mid to Bad.

Like, I hate Depp. Misogynist grifter I hope his career eats dirt. To be clear, the original Dahl book is very racist and Dahl also sucks. Book Oompa Loompas Bad. I guess its not a contest of most problematic to me, but I can see Book Oompa Loompas being a huge turn off.

My formative vision of Willy Wonka is the Quentin Blake illustrated version. The illustrations featured Willy Wonka as a lanky magician, a visual none of the live action versions have come close to recreating for me. You couldn't do a 1/1 with the illustrations in live action without it looking a bit silly, so I understand the need for compromise. Timothe Chalamet is the star of a prequel thing, so he doesn't need to match the exact energy. Gene Wilder also does his own thing and it does work on its own merits, but its not the same. Johnny Depp is like the Tumblr Sexyman version of the character, very much targeting the demographic of teenagers who found Depp smexy. I can see Wonka as a Tumblr Sexyman, I don't think its an inherently flawed idea. It is more charmless when intentionally written by a studio rather than a natural fandom bubble. also what about the old man fuckers, burton. what about the

Also, none of the adaptations include the pointy goatee the Blake illustrations sported. This is very important and outrageous that its missing, 0/10.
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