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« on: September 05, 2025 @14.02 »

I was looking at this newly updated piece of software called Friction. Its vector animation software made for web graphics and videos, and the idea of vector videos like Flash popped in my mind. It made me think that there should really be a good open source replacement for Flash. None of the other suggested replacements like HTML5 have had the same punch as Flash. If you wanna make something interactive like Flash, you have to use something like Javascript or CSS. I feel like the best idea for an open source Flash replacement would be a container with (SVG+SMIL)+APNG/MNG+OPUS in one video file. Maybe there could be another coding language that could be put in there because I dont know if SMIL covers the interactive functions that Flash had. And I wouldnt use Javascript because the web already has enough javascript and I would use something faster and cleaner.
(Edit) I found out that SMIL can be used for interactive elements with the [mouse] event. What its missing is audio though. Also, it's said that SMIL (+VoiceXML and MusicXML) could be syndicated with RSS and atom. Maybe SMIL could also work with VRML/x3d or gltf.

If you could make an FOSS replacement for Flash on the web, how would you do it? Maybe we could even write a proposal if we're crazy enough.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2025 @64.33 »

What's stopping you from just using flash still? You can include the ruffle flash emulator on your site. Users don't even need to download it. Adobe Animate (modern flash) let's you export to a html5 canvas. I use a html5 canvas on my site (though it does struggle loading the image content).

You could also use Godot engine and Unity engine web exports though you'll have to wait for the content to load and Godot requires some sort of experimental feature.

Also I'm pretty sure you can't not use javascript for frontend development. The only way to not use javascript is to have a backend. Every javascript alternative (typescript) compiles to js.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2025 @71.41 »

@MediocreMetastasis Well Im talking about running this kind of content but without plugins and fully open source. If there was a replacement that was a OS standard in the web, I'd imagine it'd get used a lot more than the older Flash standard.
Also i shouldve said that I dont know how to develop this kind of stuff. Im just speculating. Im a networking engineer, not a web standards engineer.
And also, I really wish we utilized these web technologies more. I dont want them to get deprecated and I think people need to start using different varied browsers if we wanna keep the web interesting and fun.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2025 @141.23 »

but without plugins and fully open source

Ruffle is open source and if you mean plugins as in chrome extensions you don't need to add any extensions or download any program to run ruffle. You just put in
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<script src="https://unpkg.com/@ruffle-rs/ruffle"></script>
into your html file

Unfortunately if we want new stuff, browsers have to support it. Usually if chrome starts supporting something. Everyone else does as chrome takes up most the market. But they have to be convinced first to add something.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2025 @201.35 »


Unfortunately if we want new stuff, browsers have to support it. Usually if chrome starts supporting something. Everyone else does as chrome takes up most the market. But they have to be convinced first to add something.[/font][/size][/color]

why dont we just start making our own community of browsers where we can add whatever we want? we're still letting the dominance of chrome define us even outside of its sphere of influence.
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